On this episode we discuss a couple of notable exits — Colin Trevorrow getting canned from Star Wars Episode IX and Ed Skrein quitting the Hellboy film amidst whitewashing concerns. On a similar theme, Syfy has cancelled Blood Drive and Dark Matter, and the BBC has decided to not renew Doctor Who spinoff Class. We also tackle Joss Whedon getting a screenwriting credit on Justice League, and two people were injured when chairs were thrown from a balcony at Dragon Con. We start by touching on the recent losses of Len Wein and Jerry Pournelle.
Gen’s on vacation, so it’s just Trae and Nick — but hey, video is working again!
Even though the studio has tried to downplay it, the reshoots of Justice League must have made some significant alterations to the film. The latest sign of this is that Joss Whedon will now receive a screenwriting credit for the film alongside original writer Chris Terrio.
Whedon, of course, was brought on board when the film’s original director Zack Snyder had to step down due to some rather tragic personal stuff. Whedon had already been brought on board to take a look at the script, and was the natural replacement. Frankly, Snyder’s previous entries in the DCEU have had a tone problem, and Whedon (being one of the architects of the early MCU) is probably one of the few people working in Hollywood who has a chance of righting the ship.
I mean, you probably shouldn’t get into a romantic relationship with the guy, but his writing and directing are solid.
Obviously the overall plot will be relatively the same as Terrio and Snyder are still sharing the “story by” credit, but Whedon’s contributions must be fairly sizable at this point. Of course, this whole thing may end up a tonal mess — but at least they’re trying?
The “sadness” in the DC Carnival of Sadness is normally the kind of sadness that brings about “Nerd Rage.” It’s the kind of thing that makes us disappointed in how iconic characters and fans of those characters are treated.
This is not one of those entries. Director Zack Snyder and his wife, producer Deborah Snyder, are stepping away from the Justice League film following the suicide of their daughter Autmn back in March. The Snyders tried their best to not make this public and had hoped to return to the film after some time to grieve. Understandably their whole family is still coping though, so (with Warner Brothers’ blessing) they are stepping away and leaving the film in the hands of Joss Whedon.
This story is overwhelming honestly. Firstly, I’ve probably been one of the harshest critics of Zack Snyder in more outlets than I care to list right now, but I would never wish this heartache upon him, or any parent. My heart goes out to both Zack and Deborah Snyder right now.
The news of Joss Whedon seems very strange to me. Keep in mind, the movie is in post-production. At this point, while there’s still room to maybe add a scene or do some re-shoots, the tone, story and characters are all pretty much set in stone. It seems like such an odd move to bring in such a big name to direct what is essentially a wrap-up job. Especially to choose a director with a distinct style that doesn’t exactly match the one Snyder is known for. This is just really weird news — weird and very sad news.
Justice League is still set to open in November, so right now all we can do is wait.
On this, our officially longest ever episode of Nerd & Tie, we celebrate Invader Zim‘s impending return, discuss John Simm’s returning as The Master on Doctor Who, lose our minds over the New Warriors television show (featuring Squirrel Girl), contemplate Rainn Wilson’s casting as Harry Mudd on Star Trek: Discovery, and speculate on the possibility of a Joss Whedon written/directed Batgirl movie.
Then we tackle the con scene, where Angry Goat Productions continues to do things that are absolutely insane, and AnachroCon’s management seems to have devolved into complete anarchy. We also talk about the great time we had at Karoshi Con, and look forward to No Brand Con.
Plus, y’know, there’s a mailbag. This episode is just full of stuff.
There’s an interesting glimmer of hope for the DCEU, as Variety is reporting that Warner Bros is nearing a deal with Joss Whedon to write and direct a solo Batgirl movie. Assuming this doesn’t fall apart, we could have a pretty amazing film on our hands.
Whedon may not be perfect, but he always manages to inject some degree of levity and humor even into his darkest works. That sort of personality is direly needed in the DCEU. If only to add icing to the cake, EW is also reporting that the film will be based largely on Gail Simone’s run on the comic, which was one of the few good things to happen with DC’s New 52.
This would be amazing.
I mean, honestly – over the last few years I’ve had to write a lot of stories about the DCEU, and with the exception of Wonder Woman news, I’ve never really been genuinely excited. And with this announcement, unlike Wonder Woman, I have more than hope to hold onto. Whedon has a proven track record, and even his weakest works would be refreshing compared to what the DCEU has given us so far.
With Supergirl‘s move to The CW, it’s opened the doors to far more crossovers. Besides the four way Supergirl/The Flash/Arrow/Legends of Tomorrow event planned for early in the season, there will also be a second Supergirl/The Flash about a dozen episodes in.
The interesting thing about that second crossover is, of course, that it will be a musical. While the musical will be mostly comprised of pre-existing songs (ala Glee), the producers of Supergirl and The Flash have repeatedly cited Buffy the Vampire Slayer‘s “Once More, With Feeling” as one of the inspirations for the two-parter.
And that leads us to the latest rumor about the show.
You see, /Film and others are reporting that none other than Buffy creator Joss Whedon has been tapped to direct the episodes. The rumor originates with The Hashtag Show, who also claim that Music Meister (who was created for the musical episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold) will be the villain.
Now this is all very grain-of-salt-worthy, but considering Whedon’s pedigree with both musicals (Doctor Horrible’s Sing-a-Long Blog and the aforementioned Buffy episode) and superheroes, he’s kind of the dream candidate. So, at the very least, it’s an entertaining rumor to think about.
Whedon’s recent resignation from the Marvel franchises was because he was feeling burnt out and over stressed… and literally the least helpful thing for an overly stressed person is to spend time on a social media platform where they’re getting constantly hit with hatred.
While Age of Ultron was a very good film, it was far from perfect. Some people are sending Whedon legitimate criticism, but others are just spewing harassing bile. Eventually, the legitimate feedback gets lost in the signal to noise ratio.
Whedon’s getting it from all sides this time around. Whedon is a fairly public feminist, so whenever he makes any sort of mistake, he gets crucified publicly. There are those who think Natasha’s storyline falls into a problematic anti-feminist trope — which while still handled narratively well, it arguably does when looked at with a wider lens. Just because it was character appropriate in this instance doesn’t erase the greater cultural context.
But people forget he’s a fallible human being, and he was only easily knocked off a pedestal because people were foolish enough to put him up there in the first place. He’s a person, and he’s going to f*** up every once and a while.
So the guns are blazing at him, and this time from the people normally in his corner.
And he’s already stressed out to what sounds like a breaking point.
My god, the guy should have gotten off of social media weeks ago…
So back when I was a younger man, I used to write (what in retrospect turns out to be really terrible) Transformers fan fiction, specifically Beast Machines fanfic. Well, a lot of it was written between the first two seasons of the show, and early on in the second season a funny thing started happening — plotlines I had written in the fanfic (and one specific scene) were being mirrored in the actual show.
Now, I’m a smart enough person to know that Mainframe, Hasbro and Fox Kids were not actually secretly reading my fanfic, but that I had just coincidentally picked the most obvious narrative solutions. Some ideas are just really obvious, and multiple people easily come to them independently.
But not everyone is as self aware of their own obscurity as I am apparently.
You may remember the Joss Whedon film Cabin in the Woods from, like, 2012. Apparently one Peter Gallagher of California must have finally gotten around to watching it, because (according to The Wrap) he now thinks it bears a striking similarity to his self published novel The Little White Trip: A Night in the Pines. Gallagher is suing Joss Whedon, Drew Goddard (who co-wrote and directed the film), and Lionsgate for $10 million — as he seems convinced that Whedon and Goddard must have gotten their hands on one of the 7,500 copies of this obscure, 2006 book.
And this is really stupid.
I mean, Cabin in the Woods is literally built on inverting tropes and cliches in the horror genre. To be so arrogant as to think you’re the only one to ever do that is idiotic. And the timing is such that it’s hard to not conclude the suit was filed this many years later because Whedon has such a huge movie opening in less than two weeks with Avengers: Age of Ultron
But what do I know. I just used to write bad fanfic.