The death of Uncle Ben is a massively important part of Spider-Man’s origin, but when you’re literally on the third iteration of the film franchise in fifteen years, the idea of watching that heartbreaking origin story happen again is just super taxing. That’s why we were pretty damned happy when we learned that Spider-Man: Homecoming wasn’t going to be an origin story. It was clear that Uncle Ben’s death would be in Peter’s past.
But that didn’t mean we weren’t at risk of a flashback.
I mean, most Batman movies have been based around an adult Bruce Wayne, but I’ve had to watch that (poorly assembled) pearl necklace hit the ground more times than I want to count. Well, the good news is that flashback doesn’t seem to be coming. In fact, while Ben’s death will have canonically happened, the film doesn’t plan on spending much time at all even directly saying that it sounds like.
Spider-Man: Homecoming co-producer Eric Carroll told Screenrant:
I mean, we’re implying he’s dead. We have not at all, again, gone into trying to change his origin story as far as I have been envisioning it. But we, just again, we thought that to keep this fun, light tone, as soon as they have to have their, like, ‘Let’s remember our dearly departed father figure’ – it derails that a little. And again, what we’re trying to tell is this sort of fun story of the kid who is doing all the wrong things for the right reasons. And once you do that, it stops becoming a sort of sun movie about a kid trying to be a kid. He’s mourning the loss of a parent.
This is… well, it’s the best damned news I’ve heard all day.
It’s been a few months since we saw the first trailer for Spider-Man: Homecoming, so unsurprisingly Sony has decided to release another one today. It’s the third version of the character from the studio in the last fifteen years, and I… just… can’t…
Okay look, I wanted to be cynical and sarcastic there, but honest to god I’m really excited for this movie.
What we can glean from this trailer, really, is that Tony Stark is going to be a large driving force in the film’s plot. This isn’t a bad thing, but it does mean that it’s the third film to heavily feature Iron Man without him in the title (and the second to not be an Avengers movie). As for the rest, you should just watch it. It’s pretty neat.
Just over a week ago Sony announced, rather out of the blue, that they were going to release a Venom movie (based off of the Spider-Man villain/anti-hero) in the fall of 2018. The studio apparently was returning to their plans to create a massive shared universe based off of various Spider-Man characters. There were a lot of questions though, including whether or not these new films (which also includes a Silver Sable and Black Cat film) would be a part of the MCU like the current Spider-Man movies.
Well, it seems like the answer to that is probably not.
Collider is reporting that the Venom film will not be connected to Tom Holland’s iteration of Spider-Man or the larger MCU, which of course makes me want to ask a heck of a lot of questions as to how they’ll modify a character whose backstory is so reliant on the web crawler. The other large piece of news in that article is that Sony is apparently looking to make Venom rated R.
I’m of two minds about that.
On the one hand, Venom is one of the few characters who I think would merit a hard R if they stick to the source material. That said, I’m not confident Sony knows why Fox’s Logan and Deadpool worked. Frankly, the idea of building a Spider-verse sans Spider-Man seems like a terrible idea.
A few years ago, before Sony’s plans for an expanded Spider-verse based on their Amazing version of the character collapsed, they were planning a woman led spin-off which would likely feature either Black Cat or Silver Sable. Like most movies associated with that proposed franchise expansion, it was assumed that the project was long dead and buried.
Well maybe not so much.
THR is reporting that Sony is currently developing a film based around both Silver Sable and Black Cat. The studio has tapped Chris Yost to write the script, who recently wrote the upcoming Thor: Ragnarok for Marvel. Matt Tolmach and Amy Pascal are producing.
This isn’t Sony’s only Spider-Man spinoff in development, with a Venom movie recently announced to be in the works (which even has a release date). It’s unclear if these will be anchored in Marvel’s MCU, but as the current Spider-Man is, it would be super weird if they weren’t.
Sony originally had massive plans for an explanded Spider-Man based film franchise, but that all seemed to have evaporated with the failure of The Amazing Spider-Man 2. While the studio is relaunching the franchise with Spider-Man: Homecoming, it was assumed (with that film’s integration with Marvel Studio’s MCU) that we wouldn’t see anything outside the mainline films for the series.
Well, we were apparently wrong.
Out of the blue, yesterday Sony announced that it was making a Venom movie with a release date of October 5, 2018. While there were initially rumors that Alex Kurtzman would direct, the studio has since clarified that no director is currently attached to the project. It has been confirmed that Scott Rosenberg and Jeff Pinkner are writing the script for the film though.
We know pretty much nothing else about the project, and which version of the character will be in the movie or if it will tie into the MCU are questions that are still up in the air. That October 5th 2018 release date is date DC’s Aquaman recently abandoned, and is just a couple short months before the (still untitled) animated Miles Morales Spider-Man film comes out (which Aquaman currently shares a release date with).
Frankly, this is just a lot of Spider-Man stuff. I mean, with Homecoming later this year, and its sequel greenlit for a 2019 release, this means we’re getting four Spider-Man related films in three years. This could be, quite frankly, Spider-Man overload.
On this episode of Nerd & Tie (and its triumphant return to video), we discuss Sonequa Martin-Green’s casting as the lead in Star Trek: Discovery, David Ayer potentially directing Gotham City Sirens, discuss the amazing Rogue One, contemplate the official cancellation of the con Anime Apocalypse, and examine the trailers for Spider-Man: Homecoming and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.
We also take the time to mock Michael Bay, but only because he deserves it.
Let’s be clear, I’m 36 years old. In my adult life, Spider-Man: Homecoming will be the third version of Spider-Man on the big screen. I mean, if you don’t count his appearance in Civil War, this’ll be the sixth time I’ll have seen him on the big screen. That is a lot.
Not only that, but because I’m 36, this isn’t even the Spider-Man I grew up with. I mean when I was collecting the books, my Peter Parker was a married adult (I stopped reading when that “married” part got erased). Frankly, I never read comics about high school aged Peter Parker. Whenever they get to “my” Spider-Man in his timeline, the damned franchise reboots. This is all to say that for me to get excited about yet another film adaptation of high school aged Peter Parker takes a lot.
And yet… the new trailer for Spider-Man: Homecoming has kind of done that.
I mean, what can I say? I mean, of course the movie has gone through the standard trailer filter which can make many a bad movie look good, but what we’re seeing here still looks more solid than most films. Is it yet another coming of age story? Yeah – but it looks like a good one.
And as long as there are zero flashbacks to Uncle Ben dying in the final film, I’m actually completely on board.
This episode of Nerd & Tie was recorded at Geek.kon 2016 at the Madison Marriott West in front of a live studio audience. We’re also continuing our “audio only” streak, because (frankly) it’s easier to set up and tear down at conventions.
We tackle the hard pressing issues this fortnight, like Shatner almost apologizing for Star Trek V, and director Doug Liman moving from the Fox/Marvel Gambit production to DC’s Justice League Dark movie “Dark Universe.” We also cover some lighter fare… like how the reveal that Zendaya’s Spider-Man: Homecoming character is none other than Mary Jane Watson showed us all exactly how many racists we hadn’t weeded out of our Facebook feeds yet.
The CW Seed’s new webseries also looks pretty cool, and (in a pretty weird story) Wizard World Chicago almost let a gun dealer vend.
Back in March, actress Zendaya was cast in an unknown roll in the upcoming Spider-Man: Homecoming. Details about who she was playing were largely kept under wraps, but it was believed she was playing a potential love interest for Tom Holland’s Peter Parker. Most of us were pretty damned curious if she was playing a pre-existing character or not.
Well, we may have an answer.
According to The Wrap, Zendaya is playing none other than Mary Jane Watson. Mary Jane Watson is the most notable long term love interest for Spider-Man, and (unlike Gwen Stacy) she has a habit of not being dead… which is, y’know, a good thing. We last saw the character onscreen in Sam Raimi’s trilogy, as played Kirsten Dunst.
I thought about trying to come up with some kind of witty transition here, but couldn’t think of something that wasn’t terrible. You see, at some point I needed to bring up the fact that the character of Mary Jane Watson is traditionally portrayed as white, and Zendaya… isn’t. And while apparently no one minds that Nick Fury is played by Samuel L. Jackson, angry racists on the internet will undoubtedly complain about this too.
Well, I say “will,” but I’ve already seen it.
So we here at Nerd & Tie just want to go on record and say that we like this casting. We think Zendaya will do more than enough justice to the part of Mary Jane Watson, and we hope that she is able to brave the inevitable shit-storm from closed minded jerkwads.
Spider-Man: Homecoming is currently scheduled for a July 7, 2017 release.
The last time the Spider-Man film franchise got rebooted, a lot of us really wanted Community‘s Donald Glover to take over the role of Peter Parker. While that sadly didn’t materialize, we did get to hear Glover voice the other Spider-Man (Miles Morales) on an episode of Disney XD’s Ultimate Spider-Man a few years later.
Glover’s orbit of the franchise seems to be continuing though, because while he won’t be slinging any webs, it’s being reported now that Glover has been cast in Spider-Man: Homecoming.
No word yet on who Glover will be playing, but he’s frankly a talented enough actor to play either a hero or a villain. I’m hoping he’s someone out of left field you’d never expect, like Doc Ock or Kraven. I mean it’s unlikely, but a guy can hope.