On this (audio only) episode of the Nerd & Tie podcast, we celebrate Wonder Woman‘s victory at the box office, give a spoiler-free review of Spider-Man: Homecoming, ponder HBO developing a Watchmen television show, and consider the ramifications of Phil Lord and Chris Miller getting booted from the (still untitled) Han Solo Star Wars Anthology film. Then we hit the con scene, where Titan Fan Con messed up big time, and Emerald City Comicon finally settled their “minions/volunteer” lawsuit.
This is also the first episode recorded from the new production studio, so please forgive our settling in.
One of the stranger things that’s been happening is that Sony has been moving forward with the “Sony Marvel Universe” films, based around Spider-Man characters… minus Spider-Man. I mean, envisioning a Venom movie without Spider-Man is pretty strange, right? Well, the two franchises (which also includes the Black Cat and Silver Sable movie Silver and Black) aren’t going to be so far apart apparently.
In an interview with Marvel’s Kevin Feige and Sony’s Amy Pascal, Pascal seemed to confirm that Tom Holland’s Spider-Man could show up in the spin-off movies still.
[BREAKING NEWS] Amy Pascal confirm Black Cat and Vanom movie will pass in the same universe of "Spider-Man: Homecoming pic.twitter.com/qfAKOulqwE
This is, of course, completely contrary to Feige’s previous statements where he said the Venom movie wouldn’t be in the MCU. Of course, since Feige seemed a little surprised in the interview, maybe this was news to him too.
So I know Spider-Man has seen a lot of reboots in the last two decades, and even though I want to complain about that, each Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer has us more and more hyped. We now have the final trailer for the film, and… well… yeah.
It looks pretty great.
This trailer again focuses on Peter pushing against the limitations Stark has put on him. I mean, when you can stop a bus with your bare hands, it’s hard to be okay with something called the “training wheels protocol.”
Spider-Man: Homecoming comes to theaters July 7th.
No one was expecting it when Sony announced it’s Venom movie, so it makes sense that no one was expecting who will end up starring in it. Its been announced that none other than Tom Hardy will be playing Eddie Brock in the upcoming film.
Venom will be an R-rated film meant to launch a shared universe based around Spider-Man characters (that will somehow not feature Spider-Man). Separate from Marvel’s Cinematic Universe, where the current film Spider-Man resides, it’s expected to be darker — and by all accounts confusing as hell.
Honestly, Hardy is a phenomenal actor, but even his casting isn’t quite enough to get me excited about this project. Maybe I’m wrong — maybe this will end up being phenomenal. With Sony’s current track record though, I’m not giving them good odds.
The death of Uncle Ben is a massively important part of Spider-Man’s origin, but when you’re literally on the third iteration of the film franchise in fifteen years, the idea of watching that heartbreaking origin story happen again is just super taxing. That’s why we were pretty damned happy when we learned that Spider-Man: Homecoming wasn’t going to be an origin story. It was clear that Uncle Ben’s death would be in Peter’s past.
But that didn’t mean we weren’t at risk of a flashback.
I mean, most Batman movies have been based around an adult Bruce Wayne, but I’ve had to watch that (poorly assembled) pearl necklace hit the ground more times than I want to count. Well, the good news is that flashback doesn’t seem to be coming. In fact, while Ben’s death will have canonically happened, the film doesn’t plan on spending much time at all even directly saying that it sounds like.
Spider-Man: Homecoming co-producer Eric Carroll told Screenrant:
I mean, we’re implying he’s dead. We have not at all, again, gone into trying to change his origin story as far as I have been envisioning it. But we, just again, we thought that to keep this fun, light tone, as soon as they have to have their, like, ‘Let’s remember our dearly departed father figure’ – it derails that a little. And again, what we’re trying to tell is this sort of fun story of the kid who is doing all the wrong things for the right reasons. And once you do that, it stops becoming a sort of sun movie about a kid trying to be a kid. He’s mourning the loss of a parent.
This is… well, it’s the best damned news I’ve heard all day.
It’s been a few months since we saw the first trailer for Spider-Man: Homecoming, so unsurprisingly Sony has decided to release another one today. It’s the third version of the character from the studio in the last fifteen years, and I… just… can’t…
Okay look, I wanted to be cynical and sarcastic there, but honest to god I’m really excited for this movie.
What we can glean from this trailer, really, is that Tony Stark is going to be a large driving force in the film’s plot. This isn’t a bad thing, but it does mean that it’s the third film to heavily feature Iron Man without him in the title (and the second to not be an Avengers movie). As for the rest, you should just watch it. It’s pretty neat.
Just over a week ago Sony announced, rather out of the blue, that they were going to release a Venom movie (based off of the Spider-Man villain/anti-hero) in the fall of 2018. The studio apparently was returning to their plans to create a massive shared universe based off of various Spider-Man characters. There were a lot of questions though, including whether or not these new films (which also includes a Silver Sable and Black Cat film) would be a part of the MCU like the current Spider-Man movies.
Well, it seems like the answer to that is probably not.
Collider is reporting that the Venom film will not be connected to Tom Holland’s iteration of Spider-Man or the larger MCU, which of course makes me want to ask a heck of a lot of questions as to how they’ll modify a character whose backstory is so reliant on the web crawler. The other large piece of news in that article is that Sony is apparently looking to make Venom rated R.
I’m of two minds about that.
On the one hand, Venom is one of the few characters who I think would merit a hard R if they stick to the source material. That said, I’m not confident Sony knows why Fox’s Logan and Deadpool worked. Frankly, the idea of building a Spider-verse sans Spider-Man seems like a terrible idea.
A few years ago, before Sony’s plans for an expanded Spider-verse based on their Amazing version of the character collapsed, they were planning a woman led spin-off which would likely feature either Black Cat or Silver Sable. Like most movies associated with that proposed franchise expansion, it was assumed that the project was long dead and buried.
Well maybe not so much.
THR is reporting that Sony is currently developing a film based around both Silver Sable and Black Cat. The studio has tapped Chris Yost to write the script, who recently wrote the upcoming Thor: Ragnarok for Marvel. Matt Tolmach and Amy Pascal are producing.
This isn’t Sony’s only Spider-Man spinoff in development, with a Venom movie recently announced to be in the works (which even has a release date). It’s unclear if these will be anchored in Marvel’s MCU, but as the current Spider-Man is, it would be super weird if they weren’t.
Sony originally had massive plans for an explanded Spider-Man based film franchise, but that all seemed to have evaporated with the failure of The Amazing Spider-Man 2. While the studio is relaunching the franchise with Spider-Man: Homecoming, it was assumed (with that film’s integration with Marvel Studio’s MCU) that we wouldn’t see anything outside the mainline films for the series.
Well, we were apparently wrong.
Out of the blue, yesterday Sony announced that it was making a Venom movie with a release date of October 5, 2018. While there were initially rumors that Alex Kurtzman would direct, the studio has since clarified that no director is currently attached to the project. It has been confirmed that Scott Rosenberg and Jeff Pinkner are writing the script for the film though.
We know pretty much nothing else about the project, and which version of the character will be in the movie or if it will tie into the MCU are questions that are still up in the air. That October 5th 2018 release date is date DC’s Aquaman recently abandoned, and is just a couple short months before the (still untitled) animated Miles Morales Spider-Man film comes out (which Aquaman currently shares a release date with).
Frankly, this is just a lot of Spider-Man stuff. I mean, with Homecoming later this year, and its sequel greenlit for a 2019 release, this means we’re getting four Spider-Man related films in three years. This could be, quite frankly, Spider-Man overload.
On this episode of Nerd & Tie (and its triumphant return to video), we discuss Sonequa Martin-Green’s casting as the lead in Star Trek: Discovery, David Ayer potentially directing Gotham City Sirens, discuss the amazing Rogue One, contemplate the official cancellation of the con Anime Apocalypse, and examine the trailers for Spider-Man: Homecoming and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.
We also take the time to mock Michael Bay, but only because he deserves it.