It would be hard to undersell Zack Snyder’s involvement in establishing the DCEU’s tone and feel. He directed Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, and until he had to resign due to some pretty awful stuff happening in his personal life, was the mastermind behind the upcoming Justice League film. He set the tone for David Ayer’s Suicide Squad, and pretty much washed out the whole franchise’s visual palette.
But with Patty Jenkins’s Wonder Woman trouncing the box office and Joss Whedon taking over Justice League, there have been a lot of questions about Snyder’s future involvement in the DC shared film universe. If the rumors are to believed though, that involvement will be “not a lot.”
Mashable is reporting that while Snyder will likely have a strong future with Warner Bros, it probably won’t be involved with the DC properties. This isn’t super surprising, as with the failure of Batman v Superman to impress critics, we’ve assumed this was coming since Geoff Johns stepped up in 2016 and got more involved in the films. With Wonder Woman establishing that both critics and audiences want the exact opposite of what Snyder has done, his long term exit seemed inevitable.
And if the rumors are true, the inevitable is finally here.
The “sadness” in the DC Carnival of Sadness is normally the kind of sadness that brings about “Nerd Rage.” It’s the kind of thing that makes us disappointed in how iconic characters and fans of those characters are treated.
This is not one of those entries. Director Zack Snyder and his wife, producer Deborah Snyder, are stepping away from the Justice League film following the suicide of their daughter Autmn back in March. The Snyders tried their best to not make this public and had hoped to return to the film after some time to grieve. Understandably their whole family is still coping though, so (with Warner Brothers’ blessing) they are stepping away and leaving the film in the hands of Joss Whedon.
This story is overwhelming honestly. Firstly, I’ve probably been one of the harshest critics of Zack Snyder in more outlets than I care to list right now, but I would never wish this heartache upon him, or any parent. My heart goes out to both Zack and Deborah Snyder right now.
The news of Joss Whedon seems very strange to me. Keep in mind, the movie is in post-production. At this point, while there’s still room to maybe add a scene or do some re-shoots, the tone, story and characters are all pretty much set in stone. It seems like such an odd move to bring in such a big name to direct what is essentially a wrap-up job. Especially to choose a director with a distinct style that doesn’t exactly match the one Snyder is known for. This is just really weird news — weird and very sad news.
Justice League is still set to open in November, so right now all we can do is wait.
So the new trailer for Justice League came out this weekend, and I’ll be the first to admit it looks pretty good. But here’s the thing, this is a film directed by Zack Snyder, and I’ve been fooled before.
You see, Zack Snyder has one single strength as a director — making beautiful, bite sized moments. These moments look great in trailers, but more often than not, Snyder doesn’t know how to string them together into a single, coherent narrative. Sometimes you get moments that contradict each other, but make great trailer lines.
Take Batman v. Superman famous Batman line “I thought she was with you.” In the trailer it got a big laugh. Heck, it did so in the final film too — except that if you think about it in context for five minutes it makes no sense. Batman is saying that about a character he literally contacted himself and asked to be there.
She was with you, Batman. She was with you.
All of this is to say that while I think the trailer looks amazing, I’m not going to let myself get excited about this film. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…
On this episode of Nerd & Tie, the MST3K Revival has found a home on Netflix, SDCC sees the release of Justice League and Wonder Woman trailers, we finally find out who’s in Supergirl’s pod, Ghost Rider’s coming to Agents of SHIELD, Brie Larson’s been cast as Captain Marvel, the new Star Trek show has a name (and ship), and Trae and Nick went to Kitsune Kon.
And our computers barely kept themselves together… it was rough.
Note: Due to the normal server we stream to being down, we were forced to record this on a local machine… that couldn’t quite keep up. It gets a bit unsynchronized and the show goes on. And by “a bit” I mean “a lot.”
The DCEU has been in (and please forgive the choice of words) a bit of a crisis. Frankly Batman v Superman was expected to do way better than it did, and much of its failure can be put squarely on the shoulders of director Zack Snyder. This is, of course, a bit of a problem because much of the direction the DC Extended Universe films was being determined by Snyder (as he’s also directing Justice League). The ship, frankly, needed to be righted.
And it looks like Warner Bros is finally doing that.
According to THR, there’s been a major organizational shakeup for Warner Bros creative departments, and the DCEU is finally putting people in charge of it… and one is someone who actually understands how to tell a story.
You see, Warner Bros has officially put DC Comics’s Geoff Johns and VP Jon Berg in charge of the DCEU. Jon Berg has already been working on a lot of the DCEU films, and Geoff Johns is… well… he’s Geoff Johns. Besides being Chief Creative Officer for DC Comics since 2010, Geoff Johns is an incredibly talented writer.
This move in unprecedented for the DCEU, in the sense that Warner Bros has finally done something absolutely right. No longer will the franchises be at the whim of a petulant manchild (Snyder), and I think we can look forward to a pretty bright future here.
I mean, assuming they don’t mess it up in a different way.
Things are a little rough in the DCEU waters. Warner Bros has built their whole plan around the anticipated success of Batman v. Superman that never materialized. And while their hopes are far from sunk (with massive buzz over Wonder Woman and some of the other planned films), the studio seems to be fairly concerned that future films may end up going off the rails.
It’s in this atmosphere of increased studio control that director Seth Grahame-Smith has left the forthcoming Flash movie. The as-of-yet untitled Flash movie (which will star Ezra Miller and is unrelated to the ongoing The Flash TV series currently on The CW) was also supposed to be written by Grahame-Smith as well, but it’s unknown whether or not he actually submitted a script yet.
There was some concern that James Wan was departing the Aquaman movie, but Wan has firmly denied those rumors. The biggest problem facing the DC film franchise is that there is not central figure guiding it like Marvel’s Kevin Feige. The studio in many ways was leaning on director Zack Snyder for creative direction, but anyone with any foresight knew that was a terrible idea.
Because, y’know, Snyder couldn’t string together a story together if it bit him on the ass.
No word on who will take over the Flash movie, although it remains on the schedule for March 16, 2018.
On this episode we mourn the passing of Admiral Ackbar himself Erik Bauersfeld, rejoice in the LEGO Batman movie trailers, and question the petition to bring the R rated cut of Batman v Superman to theaters. We also jump straight into the con scene, remembering the Twin Cities’ closing Thunderbird Hotel, comment on the cancellation of yet ANOTHER Yourminicon event, lament issues with this year’s Karoshi Con, and celebrate Who’s Yer Con and the INDYpendent Show for being awesome.
On this installment of The Off Week, Trae digs into Batman v Superman: Dawn of Secret Infinity Wars of Crisis Justice (or whatever) and tells you whether or not it’s worth going out and seeing it.
Spoiler: The answer is “maybe.” But he’ll give you his reasons.
“The Off Week” is a series of videos produced by Nerd & Tie in the weeks where we aren’t producing a full length podcast. The goal is to raise questions and make you think about things that you’ve maybe taken for granted.
DC is going whole hog with its cinematic universe, announcing that Justice League Part Onewill start filming April 11th. This is just weeks after Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice comes out, which is only the second film set in this particular continuity.
Zack Snyder will direct (again – even though we have no idea if Batman v Superman will be any good), and the whole thing feels like DC and Warner Bros are more focused on playing “catch up” with Marvel’s Cinematic Universe than with making a decent movie.
Honestly, if it works out, being bold will be beneficial — but pushing into production on a film before really knowing whether or not the franchise will hold weight seems a tad risky to me. Sony banked everything on a Spider-Man franchise that they ended up having to scrap, but at least they were able to change course before film started rolling. DC and Warner Bros are just committing regardless…
…and lord knows what’s going to happen. Either way, Justice League Part One is currently scheduled to come out November 10, 2017.
When Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice for the Quest for Peace Down Under was first announced, we talked about the film as if it were Man of Steel 2. DC, Warner Bros and Zack Snyder tried to dispel that originally though, demanding that the film was something else, and not just a direct sequel to Man of Steel. At one point there was even a separate Man of Steel 2 on DC’s cinematic road map.
Well, I guess that’s all wrong now.
You see, now that Man of Steel 2 is off the table for the foreseeable future, the message is changing. Apparently Batman v Superman: Dawn of the Planet of the Justice really isMan of Steel 2. When talking with Canoe, Zack Snyder said:
I think in a way Batman v Superman is Man of Steel 2. Justice League is kind of the transcendent, knights-of-the-round-table of the story. It’d be interesting to think about what a standalone Superman movie might be.
The reason for this change in message? Well, with a real Man of Steel 2 off the table, the studio doesn’t want to look like they’re abandoning Superman. DC and Warner Bros are shifting course to focus their cinematic universe on Batman — which while it may seem the safer course, really isn’t.
But hey, now at least some of our old “Man of Steel 2” tags on Batman v Superman posts don’t need to be deleted anymore…